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Post by deeno on Sept 29, 2006 10:04:45 GMT -8
Okay so I can't concentrate at work thanks to you all so I thought I'd write a little something about rechargables since many of you are using them. Beware nerd-phobic types. You should just stop reading here NiCadThe term memory came about in the 90's when NiCads were first comming onto the market. This is the idea where if you only use, let's say 1/2 of the battery before every recharge, the battery will "remember" this and become lazy if you try to push it beyond that 1/2. Well that was ~10 years ago And NiCads have come a long way. What was once thought of as "memory" really isn't an issue anymore so it is no longer necessary to completely discharge a NiCad everytime before charging. In fact, it's important not to as rechargables have a limited number of cycles before they start to go dead (~1000 cycles if well cared for). Once a month though, you'll want to fully discharge your NiCads as crystals will form over time which will shorten the life of the battery. Fully discharging the battery once a month will help keep crystal formation at bay while cycling the battery as few times as possible. Temperature also plays a part in the crystal formation as well as time so try not to leave these batteries on the charger. Even if it's just trickling as the heat will promote crystal formation NiMhWhen NiMh batteries first came on the market not too long ago, they were touted as a "no-memory" battery. Since it literally takes years to get test results back, we now know that this is not the case. NiMh batteries still suffer from memory like NiCads do, but they are more resistant to it so it is only necessary to fully cycle NiMh batteries once every 3 months vs. every month like NiCads. Somethings to note about NiMh - While NiMh batteries can store more charge and discharge faster than NiCads can, they can only be cycled about 500 times which is 1/2 of NiCads.
- Self discharge on NiMh batteries is about 2x that of NiCads. This means that if you put a NiMh battery on the shelf, it will discharge itself twice as fast as a NiCad would
- NiMh batteries like to operate at lower currents than NiCads. Basically these are better at low current applications and should be topped off often
Lithium IonI don't think any of us are using these in our paintball setups yet, but someday we will. I'll write about these then ;D Most of this stuff is just paraphrased from somebody that knows a whole lot more about batteries than I do. Enjoy@
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Post by xxxSPIKExxx on Oct 2, 2006 20:59:51 GMT -8
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Post by Batman on Oct 3, 2006 16:47:59 GMT -8
So Deeno, what type of battery do you recommend for my wifes new Spyder? We just got it (Thanx Spike!) and it is our first E-trigger equiped gun. I have some Ni-cads but I was wondering about them already having "memory" from the devices I have used them in before. Do youm think I should get new ones or maybe just stick with disposables? I really like using the re-chargeables because I can always have them ready to go, after reading your post though I am curious as to whether I might be better off just keeping new Energizers handy? Thanks
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Post by Smeed on Oct 3, 2006 18:59:36 GMT -8
Deeno I think you may have too much time on your hands. So i think we need to schedule more practices so your not so board all the time.
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Post by rehab on Oct 3, 2006 19:09:01 GMT -8
So Deeno, what type of battery do you recommend for airzonas new dildo? he just got it (Thanx Spike!) and it is his first E-trigger equiped toy. he has some Ni-cads but he was wondering about them already having "memory" from the devices he has used them in before. Do youm think he should get new ones or maybe just stick with disposables? he really like using the re-chargeables because he can always have them ready to go, after reading your post though he is curious as to whether he might be better off just keeping new Energizers handy? Thanks
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Post by Smeed on Oct 3, 2006 19:41:31 GMT -8
Wow too much info. Lol
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Post by Batman on Oct 4, 2006 7:47:32 GMT -8
So Deeno, what type of battery do you recommend for airzonas new dildo? he just got it (Thanx Spike!) and it is his first E-trigger equiped toy. he has some Ni-cads but he was wondering about them already having "memory" from the devices he has used them in before. Do youm think he should get new ones or maybe just stick with disposables? he really like using the re-chargeables because he can always have them ready to go, after reading your post though he is curious as to whether he might be better off just keeping new Energizers handy? Thanks L.M.F.A.O. ;D now why didnt I think of that? Good one Rehab!
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Post by deeno on Oct 4, 2006 13:04:55 GMT -8
haha too funny... Batman, definately just use what you have. If you remember, roughly once a month try to completely cycle it (I plug mine into my alarm clock to do this about 3 days before an event and then charge up to full the night before a game). Also try not to overcharge them when you top them off and store them in a cool place (ie, don't leave them on the charger). When I top off my NiCads, I usually just charge for about an hour and call it good. If you're worried, you can check with a volt meter to see that you have the full 9.6v or whatever is considered full for your batteries. I keep one standard energizer 9V in my gear bag as a backup. $2 insurance is never a bad thing and the shelf life is a long long time. Did you guys pick up a hopper (and hopefully an elbow) for the Spyder also?
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Post by Batman on Oct 4, 2006 13:25:15 GMT -8
We wound up with a couple of nice hoppers, one Extreme Rage electronic type and a Ricochet AK. Those should work for now. My friend Gunny is picking me up a good quality neck today. Spike recommended the top end Halo and Gunny agrees that would be a good upgrade when we can afford it because it is sound/motion activated and capable of almost as many bps as the Spyder.
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Post by Batman on Oct 4, 2006 13:31:21 GMT -8
Holy Bat turds! I just checked the price on the Halo. Could be awhile before I can justify that! Good news is Gunny has the internals for one so as soon as we find a compatable shell he thinks he can rig it. He's pretty good at that stuff hence his nickname of Gunny, so I'm hoping he will be able to pull it off. It would be cool to have a one off hopper.
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Post by dtr43 on Oct 5, 2006 14:48:36 GMT -8
There's several different halo hoppers. The backman is sound activated, I think the price you saw was probably for the Halo-B, which is their best model. I personally don't like the sound activated hoppers... I've had bad experiences. In the world of E-hoppers I prefer the models with an "eye" that can sense if there's a ball in the feedneck. The halo-b, viewloader evlution II or evlution 3 and some others are some that aren't sound activated. You can pick up a new stock evlution II for $60 online right now. I think that would probably shoot fast enough for your spyder. How many BPS can it do?
I may have an old halo backman laying around with a broken feed neck (which i'm not sure if can be repaired). I'll see if I can find it...
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Post by Batman on Oct 5, 2006 16:13:30 GMT -8
Hi dtr43! I didnt know you got around so much. ;)Jk appreciate the offer on the neck, that would be cool! I really dont know the bps on the spyder, its an MR-1 thats been upgraded. Spike did the upgrades (yeah they are NICE ) and he did tell me but I had the attention span of a 5 year old when he was telling me, if you know what I mean... And yes , you are correct sir! the price that was choking me was for the Halo-B. The real reason I was thinking sound activated was to help it be a little stealthier ie; not so LOUD. So I am open to suggestion, just not interested in one that makes constant noise like I have now. Its not so bad as far as feeding, its just that when you're trying to be quiet it sucks. Do you know one that would work like I want? Thanks
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Post by dtr43 on Oct 5, 2006 17:17:59 GMT -8
yeah, I lurk here and there, just finally regestered on this forum the other day. if gunny does have the inner parts to a hallo-b, I think i've seen D's have halo-b shells in stock (if they don't now i'm sure Ed would order one) so that might be a cheaper route on a halo-b. this is the evlutionII... www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=5XVIkeu7rlpIAq6eQpKIOeFvGpjRQjLxrT0=?ProductID=uTmsFAY73FoAAAD3t0ClA_2t it says with the stock board it'll do 19bps but most people say it actually gets about 17 BPS. I shot the EvlutionII for a while and it worked just fine for me on a gun that was rated for 20BPS (although it wasn't full auto so probably didn't top out higher than 15-17 or so). You can buy faster aftermarket boards for the Evlution, but by the time you do that you might as well just buy a halo-b for a little bit more money. the BPS your MR1 can do should probably partially determine what hopper you go with if you want to shoot at the high end of the guns ROF. If that's the case ideally you'd want a hopper thats rated faster than the BPS your gun can shoot. If you try to shoot faster than your hopper is rated you'll chop paint. If you're going to slow the gun down to a slower BPS then a slower hopper will do just fine. The one problem with E-hoppers is EVERY one of them is noisey to me when you're shooting it. Typically there's a lot of other noise going on so it doesn't matter much because it gets drown out in all the gun fire, but night games or ambush situations are where I always felt it could give you away. Each time you shoot an E-hopper you'll hear the motor kick on for a split second to feed more balls down the feedneck and obviously the longer you shoot the longer the noise of the hopper continues. Oh, I found the backman I have... dunno if it could be salvaged (the part that clamps into the feedneck is broken) but next time we have a game around here i'll bring it and let you check it out. the things like brand new other than the busted neck... If you think you can devise a way to make it work, it's yours (complete with tiger stripe neoprene cover).
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Post by JBolt on Oct 5, 2006 19:15:54 GMT -8
Batman if your looking for a fast hopper. The Velocity is super fast force feed with two eyes. I have one for my tac one and it feeds the balls faster than I can shoot with it. Any way they are approx. 130.00
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Post by Smeed on Oct 5, 2006 20:14:08 GMT -8
I have the Tippman hopper it's rated at 15 balls a second and doesn't have a constant noise. it feeds when you shoot it has an eye that cuases it to run as balls pass through the neck. I'm pretty sure i got it for around 60 bucks. The model name is the Triumph.
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